I’m sick of Falun Gong apologists spreading bad faith lies…
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I’m sick of Falun Gong apologists spreading bad faith lies against China.
**Before I start:** This is a very nuanced topic, even though personally I’m supportive of the Chinese Government, I’ll try to be as unbiased and objective as possible and not true to glorify the one side nor purely demonize either side.
# Introduction.
I’m very sick of what these people do, not only because they share an opinion which I see as wrong, if it was only that I wouldn’t bother significantly. But these people in charge and that actively advocate about Falun Gong are absolute hypocrites which thrive on deceiving people, spreading a cherry picked narrative and diatribe the truth to fit their anti-CCP agenda.
# The true face of Falun Gong.
To give background before details, Falun Gong (and this includes all its affiliate companies like Shen Yun and organizations) it deceives people on its true face, the Falun Gong founder himself said “in the west, show just our exercises, not our beliefs.” Their slogan as a standalone is also very misleading and partcuetly mis-representative as they brand themselves as “Truthfulness, Compassion, and Forbearance”.
Most people who don’t know these matters in depth or get influenced by their media (I’ll explain later), would think Falun Gong is just a movement that just spreads loves and hugs and just does some exercisers. And that’s very far from the truth.
The true face of the Falun Gong is a Far Right, Ultra Conservative and in some places horrific cult based on fairytales, conspiracy theories and Radical Conservatism. CCP (regardless if you support CCP or not, is infinitely better than Falun Gong).
Going in depth let’s compare side in side Falun Gong doctrine compared to CCP.
**LGBTQ+:**
The **Falun Gong** has said they want to excite homosexuals, even if some don’t believe all view it as a major sin and secular crime. They see LGBTQ+ people as subhumans and it’s one of their number 1 sin, so it’s not just a sin but a number 1 sin, according to them.
**CCP** on the other hand while I do acknowledge it’s not the most gay friendly party compared to the west, yes there is some censorship like opposing “promotion”, but homosexuality is fully legal and guardianships are legally recognized, there is also homosexual in Chinese social media and in some more progressive cities.
**Gender equality:**
The **Falun Gong** has clearly opposed Feminism, it is inherently very patriarchal and sexist. It’s like traditional Christianity women become second class citizens.
The **CCP**’s slogan for a long time is “women own half the sky”, gender equality is an constitutional right, there has briefly been a Chinese chairwomen, there are Chinese ministers right now, Xi Jiping very recently emphasized for women’s day their legal equality and opportunities and that women can have their dreams come true. Yes not everything is perfect, Chinese high officials have said sexist things and the top Politburo is men only. But yes, much better than Falun Gong.
**Racism:**
The **Falun Gong** is against interracial marriages, that’s extremely racist and an absolutely far right belief.
**CCP**, is by doctrine not racist. Yes not everything is perfect, but they aren’t racists.
**Evolution, science and technology:**
The **Falun Gong** has opposed Evolution as “false” and as an agenda to leave people astray. As for science and technology they see that as corruption by aliens (I don’t make this up) and the way think both are corrupt and yes they are very anti-science and very conspiracy.
For the **CCP**, scientific truth, technology, intellectualism and scientific facts (the opposite of religiosity and conspiracy) is at heart of the CCP spirit and a fundamental aspect of it.
**Medicine:**
The **Falun Gong** denies medicine as a scam, literally, there are Falun Gong members who had health issues for years and either died, or are overly ill and were misinformed that “they weren’t faithful enough” or “they need to work harder”.
For the **CCP**, free healthcare is a priority and fully embraces fully modern scientific healthcare.
**So reading this, who is the better one ?**
Not only that. Falun Gong is not just a religion or a cult but a very wealthy billion dollar multi corporation and significant influence (of spreading lies). They don’t own only the Shen Yun but also the “New Tang Dynasty Television” and most importantly the “Epoch Times” which is one of the most Far Right, pro Trump, Ultra-Conservative, sexist, homophobic and theocratic press to ever exist, it has a lot of influence and does immense misinformation.
# The true face of China.
Additionally the Falun Gong apologists will say is that the CCP is an “undemocratic totalitarian regime”, that’s false and Falun Gong Apologists who use that rhetoric take advantage of western biases.
You don’t have to agree, but China cares more about stability, long term party (without regime change and any non productive opposition). You don’t have to agree but China is run like a business and in my opinion it works and it’s in my opinion a very valid way of governance. Yes China isn’t like the west but China has lifted a billion people out of poverty and since 1978 (reform and opening up) China has turned to an valid American rival now entering into the “Chinese century”.
And no China is not a dictatorship, there is no corrupt strongman with immense biases and tyranny. China wouldn’t tolerate that as total for a second, yes Xi Jiping has power especially compared to other chairmans but it’s still not what some think. China is not a dictatorship in that sense, but it’s highly pragmatic at heart, a highly sophisticated system and most importantly with a deeply meritocratic “bureaucracy” which a person with merit and the necessary qualifications and ability can climb on top. If you actually see how Chinese political structure actually is, you will see it’s not corrupt, it’s just different from the western model.
Showing China’s political philosophy for perspective. China seen an Far Right cult with all the views I said above getting significant political influence and could threat stability and the China’s vision (for example if Falun Gong it would be destabilizing and could harm economically and socially China to a great extent). So they took action.
To be clear it’s absolutely valid to address the CCP has horrific and very violent on the way they fought against and imprisoned and tortured innocent people. I address and understand that and I support human dignity. They could end the movement in a more humanistic way for sure. I don’t condone the tortures.
# The YouTube Falun Gong apologists, twisting reality and hating China.
Now let’s go to the apologists. I’ll speak abour two of them in depth “David Zhang” and “Learn Chinese Now”.
**David Zhang** (which clearly admits he supports Falun Gong), cherry picks the worst news of China or shows them in a twisted interpretation to fit his narrative. With that way of interpretation I said above you could make even Switzerland or so seem like the worst dystopia.
For example he shows the new robots being clumsy. He focuses only on the mistakes the CCP has made and by the way in 90% of them the CCP has either solve them or actively tries to solve them. He shows an immoral criminal China even though that’s ≠0.0001, it exists in all countries regardless of government and CCP has zero blame on that and in fact it has stricter laws and better enforcement on distrusting public order than any western country (so they do it better) and shows China like a poor country even though it’s clear how much progress post 1978 China has achieved, if you still think China is poor take a trip to Shanghai or any Chinese major city. China is generally a thriving and highly modern and innovative country and their cities are the absolute best in my opinion and objectively way ahead of American ones. Yes China is not perfect but still.
Now I’ll address the “**Learn Chinese Now**”. It is a channel run by two people (also openly members and supporters of Falun Gong). I’ll speak about the main one which is called “Ben” (it’s the slim guy). This person has on almost all videos sponsors the Shen Yun, he has made a video visiting their facilities on upstate New York trying to show them on the best light possible in an extent which is evil misinformation and purposely hide their far right beliefs.
For both channels their fake narrative is simple, supposedly: Falun Gong is the oppressed organization that just does some exercises and loves everybody and we do some nice dances with Shen Yun. The CCP is an Authoritarian dictatorship that persecutes us for no reason. All that narrative is absolutely false and evil and it must be done something for such misinformation to end.
**Last note:** For 99% of us, we are all people that want to live their lives and we are not evil, I don’t want to act like Falun Gong are the bad guess nor to say the CCP are pure angels, reality is more grey. Some Falun Gong and modern Shen Yun performers are genuine victims who have lost their parents and have been oppressed by China and I added that, they are in a sense victims and Falun Gong could be like a home to them. But we must still be honest about the reality.
So what are your thoughts, I’m happy to have constructive dialogue.
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**Before I start:** This is a very nuanced topic, even though personally I’m supportive of the Chinese Government, I’ll try to be as unbiased and objective as possible and not true to glorify the one side nor purely demonize either side.
# Introduction.
I’m very sick of what these people do, not only because they share an opinion which I see as wrong, if it was only that I wouldn’t bother significantly. But these people in charge and that actively advocate about Falun Gong are absolute hypocrites which thrive on deceiving people, spreading a cherry picked narrative and diatribe the truth to fit their anti-CCP agenda.
# The true face of Falun Gong.
To give background before details, Falun Gong (and this includes all its affiliate companies like Shen Yun and organizations) it deceives people on its true face, the Falun Gong founder himself said “in the west, show just our exercises, not our beliefs.” Their slogan as a standalone is also very misleading and partcuetly mis-representative as they brand themselves as “Truthfulness, Compassion, and Forbearance”.
Most people who don’t know these matters in depth or get influenced by their media (I’ll explain later), would think Falun Gong is just a movement that just spreads loves and hugs and just does some exercisers. And that’s very far from the truth.
The true face of the Falun Gong is a Far Right, Ultra Conservative and in some places horrific cult based on fairytales, conspiracy theories and Radical Conservatism. CCP (regardless if you support CCP or not, is infinitely better than Falun Gong).
Going in depth let’s compare side in side Falun Gong doctrine compared to CCP.
**LGBTQ+:**
The **Falun Gong** has said they want to excite homosexuals, even if some don’t believe all view it as a major sin and secular crime. They see LGBTQ+ people as subhumans and it’s one of their number 1 sin, so it’s not just a sin but a number 1 sin, according to them.
**CCP** on the other hand while I do acknowledge it’s not the most gay friendly party compared to the west, yes there is some censorship like opposing “promotion”, but homosexuality is fully legal and guardianships are legally recognized, there is also homosexual in Chinese social media and in some more progressive cities.
**Gender equality:**
The **Falun Gong** has clearly opposed Feminism, it is inherently very patriarchal and sexist. It’s like traditional Christianity women become second class citizens.
The **CCP**’s slogan for a long time is “women own half the sky”, gender equality is an constitutional right, there has briefly been a Chinese chairwomen, there are Chinese ministers right now, Xi Jiping very recently emphasized for women’s day their legal equality and opportunities and that women can have their dreams come true. Yes not everything is perfect, Chinese high officials have said sexist things and the top Politburo is men only. But yes, much better than Falun Gong.
**Racism:**
The **Falun Gong** is against interracial marriages, that’s extremely racist and an absolutely far right belief.
**CCP**, is by doctrine not racist. Yes not everything is perfect, but they aren’t racists.
**Evolution, science and technology:**
The **Falun Gong** has opposed Evolution as “false” and as an agenda to leave people astray. As for science and technology they see that as corruption by aliens (I don’t make this up) and the way think both are corrupt and yes they are very anti-science and very conspiracy.
For the **CCP**, scientific truth, technology, intellectualism and scientific facts (the opposite of religiosity and conspiracy) is at heart of the CCP spirit and a fundamental aspect of it.
**Medicine:**
The **Falun Gong** denies medicine as a scam, literally, there are Falun Gong members who had health issues for years and either died, or are overly ill and were misinformed that “they weren’t faithful enough” or “they need to work harder”.
For the **CCP**, free healthcare is a priority and fully embraces fully modern scientific healthcare.
**So reading this, who is the better one ?**
Not only that. Falun Gong is not just a religion or a cult but a very wealthy billion dollar multi corporation and significant influence (of spreading lies). They don’t own only the Shen Yun but also the “New Tang Dynasty Television” and most importantly the “Epoch Times” which is one of the most Far Right, pro Trump, Ultra-Conservative, sexist, homophobic and theocratic press to ever exist, it has a lot of influence and does immense misinformation.
# The true face of China.
Additionally the Falun Gong apologists will say is that the CCP is an “undemocratic totalitarian regime”, that’s false and Falun Gong Apologists who use that rhetoric take advantage of western biases.
You don’t have to agree, but China cares more about stability, long term party (without regime change and any non productive opposition). You don’t have to agree but China is run like a business and in my opinion it works and it’s in my opinion a very valid way of governance. Yes China isn’t like the west but China has lifted a billion people out of poverty and since 1978 (reform and opening up) China has turned to an valid American rival now entering into the “Chinese century”.
And no China is not a dictatorship, there is no corrupt strongman with immense biases and tyranny. China wouldn’t tolerate that as total for a second, yes Xi Jiping has power especially compared to other chairmans but it’s still not what some think. China is not a dictatorship in that sense, but it’s highly pragmatic at heart, a highly sophisticated system and most importantly with a deeply meritocratic “bureaucracy” which a person with merit and the necessary qualifications and ability can climb on top. If you actually see how Chinese political structure actually is, you will see it’s not corrupt, it’s just different from the western model.
Showing China’s political philosophy for perspective. China seen an Far Right cult with all the views I said above getting significant political influence and could threat stability and the China’s vision (for example if Falun Gong it would be destabilizing and could harm economically and socially China to a great extent). So they took action.
To be clear it’s absolutely valid to address the CCP has horrific and very violent on the way they fought against and imprisoned and tortured innocent people. I address and understand that and I support human dignity. They could end the movement in a more humanistic way for sure. I don’t condone the tortures.
# The YouTube Falun Gong apologists, twisting reality and hating China.
Now let’s go to the apologists. I’ll speak abour two of them in depth “David Zhang” and “Learn Chinese Now”.
**David Zhang** (which clearly admits he supports Falun Gong), cherry picks the worst news of China or shows them in a twisted interpretation to fit his narrative. With that way of interpretation I said above you could make even Switzerland or so seem like the worst dystopia.
For example he shows the new robots being clumsy. He focuses only on the mistakes the CCP has made and by the way in 90% of them the CCP has either solve them or actively tries to solve them. He shows an immoral criminal China even though that’s ≠0.0001, it exists in all countries regardless of government and CCP has zero blame on that and in fact it has stricter laws and better enforcement on distrusting public order than any western country (so they do it better) and shows China like a poor country even though it’s clear how much progress post 1978 China has achieved, if you still think China is poor take a trip to Shanghai or any Chinese major city. China is generally a thriving and highly modern and innovative country and their cities are the absolute best in my opinion and objectively way ahead of American ones. Yes China is not perfect but still.
Now I’ll address the “**Learn Chinese Now**”. It is a channel run by two people (also openly members and supporters of Falun Gong). I’ll speak about the main one which is called “Ben” (it’s the slim guy). This person has on almost all videos sponsors the Shen Yun, he has made a video visiting their facilities on upstate New York trying to show them on the best light possible in an extent which is evil misinformation and purposely hide their far right beliefs.
For both channels their fake narrative is simple, supposedly: Falun Gong is the oppressed organization that just does some exercises and loves everybody and we do some nice dances with Shen Yun. The CCP is an Authoritarian dictatorship that persecutes us for no reason. All that narrative is absolutely false and evil and it must be done something for such misinformation to end.
**Last note:** For 99% of us, we are all people that want to live their lives and we are not evil, I don’t want to act like Falun Gong are the bad guess nor to say the CCP are pure angels, reality is more grey. Some Falun Gong and modern Shen Yun performers are genuine victims who have lost their parents and have been oppressed by China and I added that, they are in a sense victims and Falun Gong could be like a home to them. But we must still be honest about the reality.
So what are your thoughts, I’m happy to have constructive dialogue.
#local
source
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