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Teen media feels the same
I'm probably going to get bashed for this, but as someone who does want to write for a YA audience, I feel really disappointed that it's so hard to find good teen movies, shows or books even more creative ones that doesn't use some kind of annoying cliche. I'm talking cliches like love triangles (especially ones where girls fight over a boy), a girl trying to go after an older person like a teacher or something, protagonist trying drinking and drugs, protagonist can't get along with their parents, strict mom and/or goofy dad, depression and anxiety for little to no reason etc.. Look at even PDB, most teenage characters are voted as either ixfp 4s or 6s, esfjs 2 or 3, or esfps 7 or 8. Maybe it's because I haven't ever really had much of a normal adolesence myself so I can't relate to teenagers that are not like some Disney princess or from the 40s or before, but I feel like teen movies where the protagonist is more innocent, doesn't do illegal things, are close to their parents, are happy are underrepresented. I heard that Gen Z is less likely to rebel or push away their parents? Even in the case of some of my friends when they were teens, I don't know their whole lives but I remember them being pretty respectful, well-adjusted, well-behaved teens. Most of them are bahais though so that might play a factor.
The movies that show depression and anxiety just don't feel very sympathetic to me. Like in Inside Out 2, when Riley wakes up and suddenly says she's the worst, that feels forced even as someone who struggles with anxiety. Like I'd say The Last Wish did a perfect job at depicting anxiety. Or Rue and Nadine in Euphoria and Edge of Seventeen respectively, who are still depressed over their fathers' death years ago (I've struggled with grief before and wasn't depressed for that long) and how Nadine spirals because of her friend dating her brother which I think is just stupid but I heard the friend herself actually turned out to be toxic. Or even Everything Everywhere All at Once where the daughter cries because her mom tells her to keep a healthy weight and gets mad when she stops her from trying to get in trouble with her homophobic grandpa I think was just childish. It's apparently a generational trauma movie but Joy doesn't really go through trauma, she's just a typical millennial/gen z who is so sensitive to her mom not being a perfect parent that she wants to cut her off. I saw a video about why millennials/gen z cut off their parents and yeah, I think they're the problem for sometimes finding their parents annoying to the point that they would go no contact on the closest person that they've known since they were a fucking baby when that parent isn't even beating them or yelling at them or trying to control their lives or something. My mom may have been strict and overprotective and emotionally and physically abusive at times but I still know she was trying to be a good mom. Call me codependent I guess. Maybe it's just me and my logic mind and struggle with cognitive empathy.
Even freaking Hexed which I talked about in an older post is another movie about a not-like-other-girls misfit being bullied for no reason.
And like why do we need to have Kayla from Eighth Grade and Riley from Inside Out feud with their parents if the movie is about them coping with social anxiety in school and their parents aren't even bad people? Also Barbie was a mess, the movie seems like it's supposed to be about a doll in a perfect world learning what it means to be human but we have to throw in a cliched mom and daughter can't get along trope and also POLITICS.
Eighth Grade and Lady Bird are just cliched slice of life dramas too.
I am also sick and tired of people excusing all their actions with "They're just a kid they're allowed to do anything they want." They're still a freaking character! I consume media and books to be ENTERTAINED! Not know how uncomfortable reality is. Adults have flaws too! Treat the character as a character! Not as a kid who can just have any kind of flaw they want no matter how cliched for absolutely no reason! Why are you having these cliches in there unless they fit with the themes of the story or you're putting in some kind of twist on them? Like Cloudy with a Chance of Meatballs, while it is cliched, is probably the best and only good example I've seen of boomer-millennial/middle-aged and young person conflict because both characters were understandable, both didn't have a lot of anger, and it also fits with the themes of the movie of a struggling inventor who even if he has success, realizes he still has a lot to learn.
Why can't we just be a little more refreshing with our characters? Like instead of the teen struggling with insecurity, jealousy, sensitivity, why can't they struggle with vanity, over-confidence, prudishness, conservativeness, toxic positivity, being too religious etc.? Maybe they struggle with their parents because the parents are atheists and the teens want to get into religion or they want to try a different religion from their parents. Or their (probably jerkass) parental conflict affect their little siblings.
You guys can come fight me all you want and talk about how I'm a "boomer" who doesn't understand teenagers and young people but I'd even hate teenagers if I was a teenager myself. It's the reason why I hated and mocked evangelion at 16 and stopped watching much anime. Idk if things have changed in the anime world since the 2010s, I know they're usually more wholesome than western shows/movies but I remember they always had to have a tsundere in there and it was annoying.
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I'm probably going to get bashed for this, but as someone who does want to write for a YA audience, I feel really disappointed that it's so hard to find good teen movies, shows or books even more creative ones that doesn't use some kind of annoying cliche. I'm talking cliches like love triangles (especially ones where girls fight over a boy), a girl trying to go after an older person like a teacher or something, protagonist trying drinking and drugs, protagonist can't get along with their parents, strict mom and/or goofy dad, depression and anxiety for little to no reason etc.. Look at even PDB, most teenage characters are voted as either ixfp 4s or 6s, esfjs 2 or 3, or esfps 7 or 8. Maybe it's because I haven't ever really had much of a normal adolesence myself so I can't relate to teenagers that are not like some Disney princess or from the 40s or before, but I feel like teen movies where the protagonist is more innocent, doesn't do illegal things, are close to their parents, are happy are underrepresented. I heard that Gen Z is less likely to rebel or push away their parents? Even in the case of some of my friends when they were teens, I don't know their whole lives but I remember them being pretty respectful, well-adjusted, well-behaved teens. Most of them are bahais though so that might play a factor.
The movies that show depression and anxiety just don't feel very sympathetic to me. Like in Inside Out 2, when Riley wakes up and suddenly says she's the worst, that feels forced even as someone who struggles with anxiety. Like I'd say The Last Wish did a perfect job at depicting anxiety. Or Rue and Nadine in Euphoria and Edge of Seventeen respectively, who are still depressed over their fathers' death years ago (I've struggled with grief before and wasn't depressed for that long) and how Nadine spirals because of her friend dating her brother which I think is just stupid but I heard the friend herself actually turned out to be toxic. Or even Everything Everywhere All at Once where the daughter cries because her mom tells her to keep a healthy weight and gets mad when she stops her from trying to get in trouble with her homophobic grandpa I think was just childish. It's apparently a generational trauma movie but Joy doesn't really go through trauma, she's just a typical millennial/gen z who is so sensitive to her mom not being a perfect parent that she wants to cut her off. I saw a video about why millennials/gen z cut off their parents and yeah, I think they're the problem for sometimes finding their parents annoying to the point that they would go no contact on the closest person that they've known since they were a fucking baby when that parent isn't even beating them or yelling at them or trying to control their lives or something. My mom may have been strict and overprotective and emotionally and physically abusive at times but I still know she was trying to be a good mom. Call me codependent I guess. Maybe it's just me and my logic mind and struggle with cognitive empathy.
Even freaking Hexed which I talked about in an older post is another movie about a not-like-other-girls misfit being bullied for no reason.
And like why do we need to have Kayla from Eighth Grade and Riley from Inside Out feud with their parents if the movie is about them coping with social anxiety in school and their parents aren't even bad people? Also Barbie was a mess, the movie seems like it's supposed to be about a doll in a perfect world learning what it means to be human but we have to throw in a cliched mom and daughter can't get along trope and also POLITICS.
Eighth Grade and Lady Bird are just cliched slice of life dramas too.
I am also sick and tired of people excusing all their actions with "They're just a kid they're allowed to do anything they want." They're still a freaking character! I consume media and books to be ENTERTAINED! Not know how uncomfortable reality is. Adults have flaws too! Treat the character as a character! Not as a kid who can just have any kind of flaw they want no matter how cliched for absolutely no reason! Why are you having these cliches in there unless they fit with the themes of the story or you're putting in some kind of twist on them? Like Cloudy with a Chance of Meatballs, while it is cliched, is probably the best and only good example I've seen of boomer-millennial/middle-aged and young person conflict because both characters were understandable, both didn't have a lot of anger, and it also fits with the themes of the movie of a struggling inventor who even if he has success, realizes he still has a lot to learn.
Why can't we just be a little more refreshing with our characters? Like instead of the teen struggling with insecurity, jealousy, sensitivity, why can't they struggle with vanity, over-confidence, prudishness, conservativeness, toxic positivity, being too religious etc.? Maybe they struggle with their parents because the parents are atheists and the teens want to get into religion or they want to try a different religion from their parents. Or their (probably jerkass) parental conflict affect their little siblings.
You guys can come fight me all you want and talk about how I'm a "boomer" who doesn't understand teenagers and young people but I'd even hate teenagers if I was a teenager myself. It's the reason why I hated and mocked evangelion at 16 and stopped watching much anime. Idk if things have changed in the anime world since the 2010s, I know they're usually more wholesome than western shows/movies but I remember they always had to have a tsundere in there and it was annoying.
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