@eriksson @danny and I have been spending time thinkingβ¦
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π Not enough new users
π Poor user retention
π Poor revenue
π Poor MLX liquidity
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Hey dude. I did talk with
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You dont even need to pay established creators, just pay the one we have. Videos are way more effort and time consuming than livestreams, with editing a 10 min video, that can take up to an hour cutting out dead airtime. yet they're low value here now... It wasn't like that when we joined. Yeah there was no live streams then but like i said you can bang out a livestream in an hour and be done with it and less effort than video. Also i dont like giveaways, they pissed me off. Knowing the users only on the stream for thge millix and not my content... And thats not a fan you've made, thats a leach you gained.
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Yeah that's an issue too...when you stop giveaways then retention stops. I mean...I feel like it would be easier to just reward viewers for watching certain types of content even. If someone watches a video through then reward them, if they share it to other platforms reward them and reward the creator seperately.
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Making trading fee-free for accounts holding 1 billion MLX was a good step, and I appreciate that. But one good change alone isn't enough.
The biggest problem is liquidity. The gap between the buy and sell prices is simply too large. When your bots are inactive for months, the market becomes almost unusable. At the current prices, it's very difficult to sell quickly, and buying is just as frustrating.
Any experienced trader who looks at this market will immediately notice these problems and decide not to invest. Before attracting new users, you need to take care of the traders who are already here. Many of us have been raising these concerns for a long time, but it feels like our feedback is ignored.
For example, when I place a sell order, someone places another order below mine, then another below that. As a result, selling MLX becomes extremely slow. The buy side has the same issue if I place a buy order, the price keeps moving lower, making it difficult to get a fair trade.
I'm sure you already see these issues because you're monitoring the market. That's why it's difficult to understand why nothing meaningful has changed. If the current traders are struggling to trade, how can you realistically expect new users to join and stay?
Improving liquidity, reducing the buy/sell spread, and creating a healthier market should come before talking about attracting new users or increasing the company's value.
Itβs interesting to see you all tackling these hard questions,
Even though Iβve been away for a couple of months, Iβve noticed the shift whenever I check in. I miss the days when I could open my feed and see personal postsβcelebrations, wins, losses, or just simple ramblingsβwithout them being overshadowed by reward-farming. As a creator and photographer, I feel like the platformβs 'creative soul' is at stake. When I hosted my MindBodySoul activities (Tangled Steps, Mind Sparks, and Soul Snippets), I always aimed for them to build community, not just flood the feed. Itβs a delicate balance, and right now, the scale has tipped too far toward the 'grind.'
I think we need a structural change to fix this: perhaps dedicated sections for tasks versus social interaction. Since Tangled is a non-algorithmic space, we have a unique opportunity to protect the human experience. Let's not let the 'earn' side bury the genuine connection that makes this place special. Is there any plan to introduce specialized feeds or UI changes to protect the social experience?
Even though Iβve been away for a couple of months, Iβve noticed the shift whenever I check in. I miss the days when I could open my feed and see personal postsβcelebrations, wins, losses, or just simple ramblingsβwithout them being overshadowed by reward-farming. As a creator and photographer, I feel like the platformβs 'creative soul' is at stake. When I hosted my MindBodySoul activities (Tangled Steps, Mind Sparks, and Soul Snippets), I always aimed for them to build community, not just flood the feed. Itβs a delicate balance, and right now, the scale has tipped too far toward the 'grind.'
I think we need a structural change to fix this: perhaps dedicated sections for tasks versus social interaction. Since Tangled is a non-algorithmic space, we have a unique opportunity to protect the human experience. Let's not let the 'earn' side bury the genuine connection that makes this place special. Is there any plan to introduce specialized feeds or UI changes to protect the social experience?
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I think Iβm just looking at it from a different angle! Youβre thinking about the structural 'worse' that might lead to a breakthrough, and Iβm just thinking about the 'daily' user experience. I don't need to be an expert on the vision to know that when the feed is flooded, it feels less like a home and more like a task board. I guess my hope is that whatever 'worse' or 'better' changes come, the platform still keeps that space for the human moments that made me fall in love with it in the first place.
I can't stand that... not offering any arguments, but just calling something "poor." Could be a German through and through! π€ͺ
π Not enough new users
π Poor user retention
Thats just two sides of the same coin. People will stay when more people are here. Onboarding new people may need some aggressive publicity stunt(s) and focus on the main distinguishing values of tangled social. Why only tangled social? Because it seems to me the core cell of the millix ecosystem/webverse. What ware the main distinguishing values? No algorithms, no censorship and anyone will earn. These points are especially interesting in western hemisphere political & socioeconomic webscapes.
π Poor revenue
π Poor MLX liquidity
Tha big one. For crypto investors a solid roadmap and distribution plan, especially with such a large amount of currency, is key. Shares could help for initial monetary relief but can become a hinderance in the later process as it may slow down progress.
π Poor user retention
Thats just two sides of the same coin. People will stay when more people are here. Onboarding new people may need some aggressive publicity stunt(s) and focus on the main distinguishing values of tangled social. Why only tangled social? Because it seems to me the core cell of the millix ecosystem/webverse. What ware the main distinguishing values? No algorithms, no censorship and anyone will earn. These points are especially interesting in western hemisphere political & socioeconomic webscapes.
π Poor revenue
π Poor MLX liquidity
Tha big one. For crypto investors a solid roadmap and distribution plan, especially with such a large amount of currency, is key. Shares could help for initial monetary relief but can become a hinderance in the later process as it may slow down progress.
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Agree new users and retention go hand in hand. The frustration is doing a 10x on the monthly active user will take forever at our current rate, so we need to get more people at the top of the funnel without spending $500k in advertising (which is what it would cost at our current conversion and retention rates). Once we get the onboarding live missions done and make the mobile experience better we'll test advertising.
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Thanks for sharing this. I appreciate the transparency and for keeping us in the loop. Im excited and look forward to see how things develop to the next level
Wishing the team all the best as you work through the next stepsππΌ
Wishing the team all the best as you work through the next stepsππΌ
This might be dumb, but speaking as someone who needs to be better about community engagement, I will say that I wish spending my Millix were more engaging. There's a psychological aspect for me for something like this: loss aversion. This is powerful when there's the potential that the 50,000 MLX I just tipped could triple in value at some point. I am wired to perceive that as a loss of sorts. Is it ethically virtuous for the community? No. Am I being a selfish jerk? Probably. But what if we were able to create randomized rewards, like "crates" that have collectible value with full disclosure of the rarity of the "items" available, like a collectors guide? When I'm tipping, liking, commenting, I could be randomly rewarded with a crate to open and there's a psychological excitement that creates. I'm both spending my Millix on content I want support and also earning some sort of prestige and excitement for myself. I hope this doesn't come off as super self-serving because I love you guys and I want to see you succeed. Rock on π€π»
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I guess you and Orto cancel each other out! There is a Payback Chance running in the background that randomly pays you back up to 5x what you just spent engaging and commenting. No on tips though smart guy!
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Just give me a damn Garbage Pail Kids card or something! π Whatever you make, I'll want them all. Learn from the Japanese...
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Gacha mechanics combined with a collectible system are a great way to hook people. They can be pretty addictive, though. π
I think you're already moving in the right direction. The transparency, continuous development, and communication with the community are all strong points. One suggestion would be to invest even more in empowering committed community members who have the skills and motivation to help the project grow. This includes content creators, educators, developers, translators, community moderators, ambassadors, and other active contributors who can introduce new users, create educational content, organize community initiatives, and spread awareness about the platform. Giving these contributors more recognition, opportunities, and support could significantly accelerate user growth and strengthen the entire ecosystem. A strong and empowered community can become one of Millix's greatest competitive advantages.
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I see you talking about the missions dashboard. I am very interested in the specific details about that. Like the predictions market, there has to be a way for the community to pool our resources together towards funding these "rewards, bonus, etc" and also earn something back for locking our millix up for months at a time.
This should circle all the way back around to the affiliate program which for some reason we cannot get a solid update on that after all these years. We should be able to audit or even payout our own affiliates. If it seems to one way then give both sides benefits!
I would gladly tip out more of my own people if I see them actively reacting, commenting, and posting on tangled!
I feel like the promotions tab is also extremely undervalued! you have your 404 rating still coming soon? I use to watch the stats page but it's never really been right after the middle to end of last year. Another extremely undervalued tab.
I am definitely looking into buying into all of this. Trying to figure my own thing out too lol would be nice to keep building with you guys towards something painfully beautiful and amazing!
This should circle all the way back around to the affiliate program which for some reason we cannot get a solid update on that after all these years. We should be able to audit or even payout our own affiliates. If it seems to one way then give both sides benefits!
I would gladly tip out more of my own people if I see them actively reacting, commenting, and posting on tangled!
I feel like the promotions tab is also extremely undervalued! you have your 404 rating still coming soon? I use to watch the stats page but it's never really been right after the middle to end of last year. Another extremely undervalued tab.
I am definitely looking into buying into all of this. Trying to figure my own thing out too lol would be nice to keep building with you guys towards something painfully beautiful and amazing!
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There's a fine line between attracting users who are here ONLY to make a quick buck AND attracting users who simply enjoy being here and earn money on the side.
I think the actual content has gotten lost amid the flood of Earn activities. Of course, the Earn activities are greatβand there should definitely be someβbut there are too many of them, too often. Thatβs ALL anyone cares about anymore.
A social network should also be about contentβdiscussions, news, amazing things, funny stuff, and whatever else users choose to share about themselves. It's been pushed into the background hereβit's THEREβbut new users probably won't notice it right away.
I don't know how to fix this. Maybe there should be specific "sections" that people can go to... sections with activities, sections with conversations, sections with funny content...etc, so that everyone can find what they're looking for. And anyone who wants to see everything mixed together can have it displayed that way.
I think the actual content has gotten lost amid the flood of Earn activities. Of course, the Earn activities are greatβand there should definitely be someβbut there are too many of them, too often. Thatβs ALL anyone cares about anymore.
A social network should also be about contentβdiscussions, news, amazing things, funny stuff, and whatever else users choose to share about themselves. It's been pushed into the background hereβit's THEREβbut new users probably won't notice it right away.
I don't know how to fix this. Maybe there should be specific "sections" that people can go to... sections with activities, sections with conversations, sections with funny content...etc, so that everyone can find what they're looking for. And anyone who wants to see everything mixed together can have it displayed that way.
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I understand your point mam
many users are looking for platforms where they can earn.
I don't think earning has replaced genuine social interaction.
In my own experience, i post about life, music, nature, hobbies, motivational quotes and even funny contents - BUT ALMOST NOBODY REACTS. However, if I offer a TIP for comments, suddenly people participate. That's simply the reality I have observed on Tangled.
Social Media serves different audiences. Some platforms attract people who just want entertainment, while others attract people who are hoping to earn a little extra. There's nothing wrong with either. The challenge is finding a balance between meaningful content and earning opportunities. I actually enjoy both.
My Facebook and Tiktok accounts are earning, but I still choose to stay on Tangled because I genuinely enjoy here, not just the earning aspect.
Good day everyone
many users are looking for platforms where they can earn.
I don't think earning has replaced genuine social interaction.
In my own experience, i post about life, music, nature, hobbies, motivational quotes and even funny contents - BUT ALMOST NOBODY REACTS. However, if I offer a TIP for comments, suddenly people participate. That's simply the reality I have observed on Tangled.
Social Media serves different audiences. Some platforms attract people who just want entertainment, while others attract people who are hoping to earn a little extra. There's nothing wrong with either. The challenge is finding a balance between meaningful content and earning opportunities. I actually enjoy both.
My Facebook and Tiktok accounts are earning, but I still choose to stay on Tangled because I genuinely enjoy here, not just the earning aspect.
Good day everyone
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You can earn on Facebook? ThatΒ΄s new to me π
To me, Facebook right now is just a place where people are constantly getting banned.
To me, Facebook right now is just a place where people are constantly getting banned.
Yes, i'm earning through Facebook monetization. My long form videos and reels are monetized with ads, so I earn a share of the ad revenue. I also earn from the stars that viewer's send to support my content. Payment thru Paypal then from paypal ($) then
i transferred it to Gcash (β±).
i transferred it to Gcash (β±).
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That is why i am not surprise Tangled Users invited to join from Facebook didn't stay long here...because they will earn $ thru paypal or their chosen bank and withdrawn in peso, quite easy than crypto too many process... π€£ I am earning here honestly just selling my millix to co-tanglers only, whoever wants to buy. Nobody is buying now so i am planning to give it away by tipping to those who commented my postsπ€£
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Millix doesn't inspire confidence. Replace Millix with Bitcoin. Even if you halved all the rewards distributed, the number of users would still increase. Or, efficient ways to easily convert Millix to Bitcoin should be provided.
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Please forgive me for saying this... but after reading your comment, one thing comes to mind: Someone here hasn't understood how the system works.
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Maybe thatΒ΄s a problem:
Many users don't understand the overall concept. It's complex. Those who've been here from the start get it. But those who joined later don't have a clear picture. I think the upcoming dashboard could fix that.
"Tangled" is also kind of for people with Asperger's or IT experts/enthusiasts... that's probably why I love it so much πππ€£π€ͺ
However, in my efforts to recruit others, I've spoken with users who aren't tech-savvyβand they're having a hard time.... They're wondering what this is all about and what they're supposed to doβwhich is a big deal here. And because everything is so complex and thereβs no FAQ anywhere where you can find everything in one placeβthey leave. Because thatβs just how it is these days, unfortunately: If you canβt get the big picture quickly, goodbye.
The ENTIRE Tangled universe is AWESOMEβI see that, and so do many others. But the average user, who's just browsing by, doesn't see how awesome it is.
Maybe thatΒ΄s a problem:
Many users don't understand the overall concept. It's complex. Those who've been here from the start get it. But those who joined later don't have a clear picture. I think the upcoming dashboard could fix that.
"Tangled" is also kind of for people with Asperger's or IT experts/enthusiasts... that's probably why I love it so much πππ€£π€ͺ
However, in my efforts to recruit others, I've spoken with users who aren't tech-savvyβand they're having a hard time.... They're wondering what this is all about and what they're supposed to doβwhich is a big deal here. And because everything is so complex and thereβs no FAQ anywhere where you can find everything in one placeβthey leave. Because thatβs just how it is these days, unfortunately: If you canβt get the big picture quickly, goodbye.
The ENTIRE Tangled universe is AWESOMEβI see that, and so do many others. But the average user, who's just browsing by, doesn't see how awesome it is.
It seems that there is no system. Because someone changes the rules as he wanted to. This is not a decenteralized system. I hope that you are right.
user retention & revenue: Tips were higher, if they was like the first year it would also hold attention for longer
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One thing we are getting ready to launch to address retention is a dashboard for all users, but new users in particular, that contains a large collection of live missions that the user accomplishes to earn and learn about Tangled. Some missions pay, some unlock other missions, some have rewards. All of them help people become more successful users.
Yeah dashboard sounds good. Also stops new users asking for millix, subs or help. But maybe it would be good to do a weekly click-mine, like a happy hour? Yeah we took the piss a bit but if it has clear rules it could work.
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